Dendias Minister of Interior Confronted by Greek Citizens on Discussion Programme 2014
Citizen Marios: I will differentiate myself from the official line that exists on terrorism. Terrorism existed in the first 75 odd years of the 19th century. They who carried it out realised that nothing worked with this method that no one could expect anything from the killing of people high up and slowly but surely it ended. Terrorism re-emerged once more in the Western World.
Reporter Hatzinikolaou: Let us not have a history lesson as we are opening up a whole can of worms…get to the question. We cant just a have a history lesson we will become a literary circle.
Marios: I believe terrorism is controlled and directed by the secret services.
Reporter: That is a view and you are stating that terrorism is being directed.
Marios: Why is it being directed? For what reason? We have reached the point that when people hit the streets we have police everywhere armed and this no longer makes an impression on anyone. They consider it normal.
Reporter: Are you now saying we are a police state?
Marios: We are a police controlled state. It didn’t really start from the military junta. It isn’t either a coincidence. One could justify some of these actions. (Editor Terrorist attacks) It started in 1976 essentially after the murder of the American Wells. So as to get the CIA off the hook. Then we have the second symptom that the arch torturer of the police under the Junta Mallios is murdered. One could argue that one of his victims bumped him off. But a bit later Babalis doorbell was rang they speak to him on the phone before and he goes downstairs to open the door in his robe and they bump him off. I can also remind people of the infamous case of Savvas Xiros (Editors note – 17th November fame). A lawyer stated that what concerns him is that Xiros had gone to the scene of the alleged explosion (Editors note – bomb went off in his hand) with all his ID information, all the information of the secret hideouts, numbers of members of 17th November…
Reporter: You need to finish
Marios: One last comment from a previous Interior Ministor to Mr Dendias a document I have with me. Valirakis MP PASOK said the following “the only ‘evidence’ we have of the alleged left wing origin of 17th November are the leaflets it produced (Editors note – they were dumped inside a dustbin of Eleftherotipia papers). As long as the Greek secret service isn’t a nation state based unit the country will be victim to blackmail from terrorism. We must not forget the recent reports by the State Department and the US Congress regarding terrorism in Greece. As long as the Greek secret service has open doors to the US intelligence service, as long as we accept illegal activities of the CIA and other foreign secret service agencies in Greece as long as we try to legalise these activities with special laws our national safety will be up in the air” Valirakis.
Minister Dendias: I am responding to the first citizen (Editors note – not Marios) the known danger which threatens us a society wrong economic measures, wrong political choices etc. we are attempting to compare two single events which aren’t related eg. terrorism and political choices. In the same line even if they are not the same and comparing it with the worst political choices taken. That shouldn’t occur. If we want to fight the threat of terrorism we have to be clear as a society that violence is of another league if we are taking away human life. If Greek society doesn’t take this into account we will be suffering what we are suffering now. Terrorism doesn’t threaten the powerful.
Reporter: The citizen before us stated I am not frightened of Xiros but Stournaras (Editors note central bankster of Greece)
Minister Dendias; What is the citizen stating? I am frightened of want, frightened of the crisis, I am frightened of the economic crisis. Rhetorical question. Does the possibility exist for economic development for a country that is a victim of terrorism? For whatever reason one judges in their own conscience that someone is reactionary and must be shot. Will anyone come to invest in this country? Who will come to the country if we cant reduce mass unemployment, the big battle as we have more than 50% of the youth unemployed, if we have no investments in the country we are condemned. Can we have investments under a regime suffering from terrorism? They can go wherever they want? Why should they come from here?
Reporter: The other citizen stated that terrorism is being run from the secret services… (Editors Note Dendia laughs) but what was read regarding the statements from the ex-Interior Minister of Greece Valirakis are important
Minister Dendias: Scenarios exist all the time, in Greece we love conspiracy theories, we have to get beyond this we have to go forward make another step. We mustn’t sit here and work out who did what and why? I can add if something is illegal many things can occur. We as a state we have an ultimate duty to confront terrorism to fight it and defeat it. Making analysis of such an issue does not help us.
Citizen Konstantinos: I am not young, I am listening to you for so long here.
Reporter Hatzinikolaou: Please hold the microphone close to you
Konstantinou: I am gobsmacked by your responses for so long here. You are bluffing, being demagogic and not responding to the questions asked.
Reporter: Instead of making comments, can you try to ask a question
Konstantinou: If the Minister is not going to answer is there a point? The friend from the back said…
Reporter: I need to stop you there, I need to tell you something if you allow me…
Konstantinou: Of course speak your mind
Reporter: You have every right to judge make comments on the Minister but for the show it is more crucial to speak directly about what you want to ask
Konstantinou: I will. What I am talking about is the essence.
Reporter: I heard three characterisations, demagoguery, bluffing, populist. I don’t want characterisations, I want you to get to the point.
Konstantinou: I will explain. The Minister stated they are an elected and legal government. That doesn’t stand. They got a 50MPs bonus, they stole the vote of the Greek people, they govern with Presidential decrees which don’t even pass Parliamentary procedure. In the first elections that occurred we had 40% abstention, then we had 46% abstention in the second elections and we found 115.000 new people voting electronically. We can no longer count how many voted in each district, they are no longer published. You are a government comprising 12% of the population, you are a Quisling government, you execute Merkel’s decisions, the new 4th Reich you are implementing Hitlers programme economically incinerating the Greek people. We have had 7,000 suicides, murders, you are morally responsible and you come here to tell us what?
That terrorism is real! There is no left wing or right wing terrorism. It is state sponsored terrorism. It belongs to the state, so it has police everywhere, so it can intervene when it wants to and create the theory of the ‘two extremes’ in the last period with Pavlos Fissas where allegedly Pavlos Rupakias killed him..
Reporter: What does this alleged killing of Fissas by Rupakias mean?
Konstantinos: The msm stated Rupakias got an order from Golden Dawn to go kill Fissas in Koralis street in full public view? Does that sound logical. Would someone go into a public square in full public view, with no gloves so evidence can exist and stab someone openly?
Reporter: There were witnesses.
Konstantinos: Witnesses, now that is a joke. 30 policemen were protecting the area and the murder. You are now laughing. All of these are conspiracy scenarios like the Twin Towers that were allegedly brought down by the Taliban..
Reporter: Leave the Twin Towers out of this…
Konstantinos: Like the friend above said when they took the hit out on Babalis (Junta era torturer- Editor) in Amfialis street 10 people knocked on his door and one man was armed as stated by his sister in Apogevmatini newspaper, they said Nikos come down it’s the police, just like Kounfontinas (17th November fame) was in the Greek secret service who was driving round American special forces who once having carried out their dirty deeds were driven back to the US Embassy and Koufontinas was allowed to circulate freely. Where are you selling this terrorist bullshit scenarios to? Yourselves? The Greek people? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Reporter: Lets go for a small break to calm down and respond.
Reporter: I have hundreds of messages that what was said about Fissas and how he was murdered. This show is free for people to speak their mind. Two issues regarding areas the police were going to investigate the reporter who was made deaf from police noise bombs dropped on demonstrators the colleague was covering demos Manolis Kipreos and police violence against a photoreporter and whether measures will be investigated.
Minister Dendias: I only know of the first person and I have re-started an investigation.
Reporter: People think this is a coverup.
Minister Dendias: Previously the police rep stated that for small issues let alone big ones police have been prosecuted. I don’t say that I have all the information I don’t even believe I am the official representative of the Greek police I am the political manager of the Greek police. I will only state when the official bodies of the state find an issue of responsibility they will pay.
Editors Note: No answers to previous citizens concern only that he was threatened during the break.